R100R Ignitech Zündkurve

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ametsakk

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Hallo,
First, so sorry about the language, i don´t know read,speak or write german.

So, I installed the ignitech ignition on my r100r, but ,i´m not be able to adjust correctly.
I´m not sure but i think that my problem is that the advance is so delayed.
I have been "reading" all post about this in 2-Ventiler forum and finally I have been downloaded the Ignitech TCIP4 am 2-Ventiler-Boxer file from this forum but I´m confused with the adjusts, is better adjust with the OT or the S, the pickup position...and the ignition curve...

So, if you could show me some english information,i would appreciate you too much.

thanks a lot

Iñaki
 
Hi Inaki,
first of all: welcome to the wich house of airheads :D
I´ll send You a curve which you can use, adjust for this one at "S" mark.
I suppose you have single spark heads, ( or do you have twin sparks?)
You got to wait until I reach to my privat computer this evening.
There is one "standard" and one "performance". use at own risk and check ignition timing accurately, no warranties!
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Hi Kurvenfieber,
Thanks for your wellcome and thanks for your answer,, i have problems too,with the sensor adjustmens, i don´t know if i have to adjust the pickup in the middel of the cam or in the start of the cam.
If you could show me a picture to understand the situation..

Thanks Again for your time.

Hi Tommy,thanks for your wellcome, and yes , i´m from Euskal Herria, from Vitoria-Gasteiz,do you know the city?

thanks and regards

Iñaki
 
ametsakk schrieb:
... Vitoria-Gasteiz,do you know the city?...
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Not yet :D

But I might go to Pirinioak next summer, and that means I have to learn at least a few words of Euskara as we live in Europe with its many languages.

Finnish was sort of tricky this summer.

It might take a while until those show up here who can get your problems fixed easily.

And while you are waiting you can click here and have a look at a crazy trip, you'll get the idea even without knowing to read German.
 
Inaki,

follow these steps:
  1. adjust the ignition timing at idle to the "S" mark (esp. if you have a single spark solution). Check this with a stroboscope. This is the base for all next steps. The "S" mark implies 6° advance before "top dead centre" (TDC).
  2. connect the Ignitech to your Notebook, and set the Parameters as follows:
    hpn-pr120.JPG (you might better use "Auto" for "Dwell", "short" and the numbers are for my ignition coil.)

    hpn-pr121.JPG (except for presumably "1" at "Number of Outputs - single spark.)
  3. and start with a curve looking roughly like this:
    hpn-pr132.JPG
    This is a curve for twin spark, you could give about 3° more advance beyond ~3000/min for a single spark.
    Important point here is to enter "6°" for "Base advance, because that is what you did as #1. This must fit. If you have single spark, there won't be an Input field for "cylinder correction".

... and report here!
 
hi,
sorry, i´m been working and making some trials with the bike,, so far the adjusment is almost done, the end of cam at the middle of the pickup,and "base advance" with 6º. With this adjusments and 2 different curves, but similars, the bike starts so good:applaus:, the firsts minutes goes nice, but after almost 10 minutes, starts to decrease the revolutions,i mean, if i try to speed up, the revolutions stops at 3000 rpm more or less, few minutes later, just to 1500-2000 rpm., and finally, after 15 minutes stops, and don´t starts in a few hours:(.

So,I´m thinking that i have a second problem....or the ignition system is not working properly, so i´m checking again the system...

Anyway thanks Gerd,Kurvenfieber and Tommy for your cooperation, you have won some beers.
I will report here my advances..

Beste Qrüße
 
ametsakk schrieb:
hi,
sorry, i´m been working and making some trials with the bike,, so far the adjusment is almost done, the end of cam at the middle of the pickup,
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What does that mean: "end of cam at the middle of the pickup" ?
ametsakk schrieb:
and "base advance" with 6º. With this adjusments and 2 different curves, but similars, the bike starts so good:applaus:, the firsts minutes goes nice, but after almost 10 minutes, starts to decrease the revolutions,i mean, if i try to speed up, the revolutions stops at 3000 rpm more or less, few minutes later, just to 1500-2000 rpm., and finally, after 15 minutes stops, and don´t starts in a few hours:(.

So,I´m thinking that i have a second problem....
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I agree. Do you drive around in these 10 minutes, or do you idle in the garage?
ametsakk schrieb:
or the ignition system is not working properly, so i´m checking again the system...
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Except maybe for the coil, there should be no temperature correlated Problems.
ametsakk schrieb:
Anyway thanks Gerd,Kurvenfieber and Tommy for your cooperation, you have won some beers.
I will report here my advances..

Beste Qrüße
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Hi,
Yes, the cam end at pickup middle when i see the S mark.

the problem is in both situations, drive around and idle in the garage.

So you think no temperature problems in the pickup or in the cdi box?

I´ll check the coil and the Bing´s..

Thanks Again
 
I´d rather say, certainly not a heat problem of the Box, nor the Pick up.
I´ve ridden my bike in the Sahara, no problem.
Check also the Ignition coil, the old grey ones, tend to have cracks, only showing up when hot.
But then you would have also misfires. Visible in total darkness under the fuel Tank on the right side near the control head of the frame.
Bet it´s the (custom) fuel filters, or the carbs.
 
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Hi,

I´m been checking the coil, and make some trials with other coil,and same results,so i´ve checked the carburators, but nothing wrong was found,compression is good even when is warm, so i´m thinking again in the ignitech box, or the S01 pickup,are your system working with the S01 pickup , or hall sensor? How much is the gap between the sensor an the "noise"´s cam? mine is 0,40 mm.
Maybe some magnetic field?

any suggestions?

I will try with a new sensor....

Anyway thanks
 
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